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[stardustonsable]

"ironic product placement is only ok if you take no money & beyond that give all the income to something ironic. like the Klan" - Amanda Palmer

Well.
I've been getting through the Evelyn Evelyn thing by listening to Dolls stuff and WKAP and reminding myself that it was before the shit hit the fan. And if I tried really hard, I could probably think of a reason that justify, or at least brush aside, that she said this. But. What makes her think this is ok? What makes anyone who claims that they are progressive and believe in equality and all that shite think its ok to even bring the KKK into a supposed intellectual discussion (be it about Lady Gaga or otherwise). It was uncalled for, it was hurtful and now Amanda Palmer is in that uberfun categorey with John Mayer where I can listen to about a minute of a song before I cringe and remember that the people who makes songs I'm fond of are actually utter arseholes. Ms. Palmer, all I request is that you stop being a jackass quite so loudly, so I don't have to struggle to separate you from your art.

In case you still aren't quite sure what's so bad about what she said, have a picture or two. (This is a journal entry containing pictures of Klan violence. That's your warning): http://sparkymonster.livejournal.com/389485.html.

Curiously, that's the only entry I've seen about it, even though it happened last night. Don't let Amanda Palmer off the hook now, guys.

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[revelininsanity.livejournal.com]

Amanda Palmer is just... I don't know, is she stupid? Mean? I don't even know, man.

I'm half tempted to say she's both column a and b.

I heard Gee Way is involved in the Evelyn/Evelyn project, btw, and now everytime his band shows up on my ipod I have to skip it. I already passed up buying a Neil Gaiman novel because of this shit.Is it just me, or are all the really awesome famous people just being dicks right now? Or have they always been and I've just been keeping my head down too much to tell?

[imagines.livejournal.com]

Oh.

Fab.

I had already taken all her songs off my iPod because I was cringing the way you are, and...yeah, I'm not seeing them going back on anytime soon.

In theory, I think separating people from their art is fine, and lord knows I do it all the time--but only when I can ignore the shit the people have pulled. Often, this is easiest the author/artist/etc. is dead, or isn't often in the news and therefore I don't have much of an idea of what they're up to.

But someone asked me once why I can't read anything of Harlan Ellison's. They were surprised when I replied that it's because of that time he grabbed a woman's breast. Can't that be separated from his art? Sure it can, but that doesn't mean I can, or even want to, now that every time I think of the words "Harlan Ellison," I remember what he did. And when I hear Mayer's or AFP's music, the same thing happens. Their actions and words run through my head. For the time being, possibly forever, I am not able to separate the people from the art. Because I'm pissed at them. I don't want their art in my life right now--maybe not ever again. Not unless some shit changes.

...you know, I don't even understand what she's trying to say in that sentence. I keep running into a wall of "WTF?" I mean. Is she saying that we should give money to the Klan? Or that the Klan is ironic? Or is she making a joke about the Klan? I DON'T GET IT. Whatever it is, it's not clever or funny, nor does it have anything to do with PRODUCT PLACEMENT.

Also, "ironic"? The Klan are not coincidental or unexpected. Double don't-get-it and double not-funny. What the hell?

I RAMBLE BECAUSE I AM BOGGLED. :(

[stardustonsable.livejournal.com]

I just. don't even know what she is or what she thinks she's doing and it hurts because I used to love her *so much*

I can still do MCR and Neil Gaiman because I knew and loved them long before her, and frankly even without this bullshit, would have continued to love them long after her, and I don't really like, idk, punishing, I guess? Other people for her stupidity.

I can only get through Dolls music with the knowledge that I haven't paid for any of the music, and that Brian is awesome. I don't know if I can stand Who Killed Amanda Palmer right now, though.

[revelininsanity.livejournal.com]

It sucks even more when you love them, right?

I was going to let it slip except it turns out Neil apparently agreed to write the novelization for that whole EvelynEvelyn thing and I was like, "doesn't someone own a copy of American Gods I could just borrow?" So, out of the whole ten bucks I would have paid for the book, I guess he lost, like, a dollar? I'm not sure how these things work. All I know is it doesn't mean much to anyone except my morals. Maybe I can break his heart by telling him, though, like I did to Emma Bull.

Musical piracy, good for the soul and good for you.

[revelininsanity.livejournal.com]

Maybe I can break his heart by telling him, though, like I did to Emma Bull.


That was supposed to be a sarcastic comment on my overinflated idea of the impact I have on authors.

[stardustonsable.livejournal.com]

Heh.
He's gotta know, though. I mean, maybe there isn't *much* crossover in his fanbase and hers, but he can't think that they're totally seperate right? Then again, there are plenty of people that don't seem to have any problem with the whole Evelynevelyn thing.

[stardustonsable.livejournal.com]

I TOO AM BOGGLED. I don't understand just which type of irony she's going for here, but no matter what you do. not. bring the fucking Clan into it, y'know?

[revelininsanity.livejournal.com]

TBH, given what I've read from him, I'm not so sure he'd care. That's not to say he's a bad person, just sort of absorbed in the unrealness of his work, taking so much joy in the surreality that he can be kind of thoughtless in the reality.

Of course, with that in mind, I don't think AP is a bad person either. I just think she's basically thoughtless, too.